tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post734899228388216689..comments2024-03-26T13:27:26.499+00:00Comments on Zelo Street: Tommy Robinson And Reporting RestrictionsTim Fentonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00726447899972084146noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-10059891843428295062018-06-18T19:06:48.664+01:002018-06-18T19:06:48.664+01:00I get why he got the suspended sentence for filmin...I get why he got the suspended sentence for filming INSIDE the Caterbury Crown Court despite a publication ban, but I don't get why he was sentenced for filming outside a court, in public domain, where anyone is entitled to see what is going on in real time. I get that it could jeopardize the trial, but to me that means that it is the court's responsibility to ensure the anonymity of the defendants while they enter court.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-37220303674263597442018-06-03T14:56:45.944+01:002018-06-03T14:56:45.944+01:00I don't see why it biases the trial. Just make...I don't see why it biases the trial. Just make sure the jurors don't watch his livestream.<br /><br />If anyone on the jury is likely to watch a Tommy Robinson livestream then they aren't fit to be on a jury trying Muslim people in any case. These people will not get a fair trial, whatever this particular racist happens to say.<br /><br />There are far more important sources of bias in the court system than the off-chance of a juror stumbling on political comments. Things like the effects of previous framing of the issue in general, racial and class prejudice, personal authoritarianism, even bias against a defendant's appearance. <br /><br />There is a wealth of influence on possible sources of unfairness in cognitive psychology - primacy/recency effect, impact of terminology used, just world fallacy, all kinds of things which aren't controlled for in court cases because the process was designed centuries ago when people had no knowledge of psychology. We know from experiments that authoritarians will tend to convict regardless of evidence, so if we don't want wrongful convictions, they need to be filtered out of the jury pool. In the age of brain scans and big data profiling, it should be easy enough to filter the racists and authoritarians out of the jury pool (and for that matter, the magistrate and judge pool) - but nobody even tries to do it.<br /><br />We know there is widespread unfairness in outcomes. Black people are more likely than white people to be convicted on the same charges, because jurors or magistrates are racist. I've seen clear-cut insanity cases (such as the girl who thought her victim was a robot) getting convicted. People in the 2011 riots going to jail just for being in the wrong place. Cops constantly getting off for clear-cut abuse while people defending themselves against cops get convicted. Prosecutors rewriting the law on the spot and getting away with it because the defendant is publicly hated (e.g. the Abu Hamza "solicitation to murder" charge). People like the Birmingham Six were convicted based on threadbare evidence because of public prejudice. In a case like the Leeds one, someone could be biased by reading about "Asian grooming gangs" in the press, and wrongly convict on this basis, even if the articles were nothing to do with the actual case they were trying. This kind of thing is well enough documented in the sociology of moral panics: if the prosecution have a narrative which fits with dominant media narratives at the time, it's easy to get wrongful convictions and disproportionate sentences. What some Nazi says on a random Facebook feed is a drop in the ocean. In this context, stupid rules about media coverage are just backdoor excuses for censorship based on outdated beliefs about motivations and influences.<br /><br />If the problem is that this fascist idiot is calling people rapists when they're only *accused* rapists, that's libel which is a civil not a criminal offence.<br /><br />What judges are really angry about, is they do not like people standing up to them and not doing as they're told. It's the same mentality as tyrants of every age and a clever political opportunist like Tommy Robinson knows how to play their narrow-mindedness to his advantage.<br /><br />Unless we ensure that jurors are fair-minded enough people that they'd never be influenced by someone like Tommy Robinson - or for that matter, by the front page of the Sun - and that judges are fair-minded enough to not put their chagrin about not getting their way ahead of proportionality and fairness, then we aren't going to have fair trials full stop.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-36656486223498524852018-05-29T23:06:32.992+01:002018-05-29T23:06:32.992+01:00How is it contempt of court when it was published ...How is it contempt of court when it was published 11th May 2017 who had been charged. There were going to be 3 different trials (Jan, April & Sept) and how long they expected each trial to last. In detail it was published the name of the person charged, the area they lived and their charges. It also stated who was going to be at which trial. So anything Tommy said was already in the public domain .Actually more was published by the newspaper than Tommy actually said Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-58152826778957900222018-05-29T20:32:53.909+01:002018-05-29T20:32:53.909+01:00"Didn't see Tommy at Leigh McMillan's..."Didn't see Tommy at Leigh McMillan's trial, i wonder why." - because he isnt islamic and that's what he reports onVeeDubZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16324818580243807124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-10757465556281933072018-05-29T20:15:16.441+01:002018-05-29T20:15:16.441+01:00I'd imagine you are a parody account? I hope s...I'd imagine you are a parody account? I hope so...nparkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-47535739825497571572018-05-29T20:13:02.085+01:002018-05-29T20:13:02.085+01:00Eh?
If he had a magic wand people would be put aw...Eh?<br /><br />If he had a magic wand people would be put away without trial or charges if they are brown. His IS an authoritarian ideology. That's his poisonous ideology in a nutshell.<br /><br />You are also laughable when you talk of the far right. Robinson is far right. That is fact. Tim is not far left. That is a fact also. Tim is doing not what you say, but is in fact telling the facts of the political spectrum.nparkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-20706115405510080602018-05-29T20:07:38.594+01:002018-05-29T20:07:38.594+01:00What are you on about, Mark? Surely you can see th...What are you on about, Mark? Surely you can see that you're making no sense whatsoever.<br /><br />Tommy is an idiot who wants us all to share his bigotry, and people with intelligence aren't buying.nparkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-41911867889822012982018-05-29T20:06:31.125+01:002018-05-29T20:06:31.125+01:00My God, you people really do ignore all evidence b...My God, you people really do ignore all evidence because you want to continue your blind beliefs in nonsense.<br /><br />The media found content that made him look bad. He made that content. The evidence is there, and just ignoring it and instead whining about the messenger doesn't work on those of us with at least a little intelligence.nparkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-68655965421718239872018-05-29T20:03:51.136+01:002018-05-29T20:03:51.136+01:00He isn't interested in the victims and it is o...He isn't interested in the victims and it is obvious.<br /><br />If he cared, he would not be risking messing up the trials of the alleged perpetrators.nparkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-49003480029554656702018-05-29T19:18:20.025+01:002018-05-29T19:18:20.025+01:00@Anonymous "in predominantly Christian countr...@Anonymous "in predominantly Christian countries,"<br />This is false.<br /><br />It's true that FGM *is* cultural, almost all in Africa, but it has been embraced by predominately Muslim countries there, fitting their mysogynist culture.<br />At best, your statement should have been, "including in some majority Christian countries"<br /><br />FACTS<br />(Per UNICEF:<br /> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FGM_prevalence_15%E2%80%9349_(2016).jpg:<br />):<br />Of 11 countries with 70+% rate of FGM,<br />only 2 are majority Christian:<br /> Ethiopia, 63% Isl to 34% Chr<br />& Eritrea, 50 to 48, basically even.<br />Of 18 with 25+%, only 5 are majority Christian.<br />Of 22 with 15+%, only 8 are majority Christian.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05952204448665609418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-3096820805957600992018-05-29T19:01:23.135+01:002018-05-29T19:01:23.135+01:00We need a campaign to boycott pakistani takeaways ...We need a campaign to boycott pakistani takeaways and restaurants until Tommy Robinson is released.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-39536835144048317572018-05-29T13:22:05.113+01:002018-05-29T13:22:05.113+01:00What's FGM got to do with Islam? It's a cu...What's FGM got to do with Islam? It's a cultural tradition, in predominantly Christian countries, not an Islamic teaching.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-42928079384705533302018-05-29T10:45:35.810+01:002018-05-29T10:45:35.810+01:00Graeme the Guiri Veïns Democràtics ummmmmmmmm He d... Graeme the Guiri Veïns Democràtics ummmmmmmmm He didn't turn up outside a court?????? Where was he arrested?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-77731638383097299632018-05-29T01:50:54.213+01:002018-05-29T01:50:54.213+01:00In England and Wales, constables (or other persons...In England and Wales, constables (or other persons) are permitted to arrest a person to "prevent a further breach of the peace" which allows for the police or the public to arrest a person before a breach of the peace has occurred.<br /><br />If once he's been put before the courts and they have found him in breach of his previous sentence he is punished. Don't see what the confusion is??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-57828801474249220612018-05-29T00:31:55.310+01:002018-05-29T00:31:55.310+01:00How are you defining far right? When you're th...How are you defining far right? When you're that far left, anywhere else on the political spectrum is far right? Or are you just repeating what other people say, without bothering to do your own research? If he had a magic wand, an authoritarian ideology would be erased from the planet and nobody would die or suffer in any way. Is that a bad thing?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-89379078307631778262018-05-28T23:40:01.835+01:002018-05-28T23:40:01.835+01:00Anyone on jury service is told not to watch news, ...Anyone on jury service is told not to watch news, read papers or social media about the case they are a juror for. So in fact there is no media to sway their judgement. They hear the case as it is in the courtroom. So the people on a jury should not be swayed by anything other than what goes on during a trial . Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07935763077066503686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-39873057875623974372018-05-28T23:32:39.471+01:002018-05-28T23:32:39.471+01:00Throw away the keyThrow away the keyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-65796717488854490532018-05-28T22:53:20.754+01:002018-05-28T22:53:20.754+01:00Yaxley Lennon knew about the reporting restriction...Yaxley Lennon knew about the reporting restrictions but chose to ignore them. He fully deserves his punishment. quietasamousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14808307845846215756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-18323087992174740082018-05-28T22:51:43.059+01:002018-05-28T22:51:43.059+01:00How is that relevant? They were remarks made durin...How is that relevant? They were remarks made during the Canterbury trial, as described above. As the result of his actions in Canterbury, Yaxley Lennon was sentenced to three months imprisonment, suspended for eighteen months. The judge at the time made it perfectly clear that a repetition of such behaviour would result in a custodial sentence. Yaxley Lennon chose to ignore the reporting restrictions, of which he was fully aware, evidenced by him mentioning them in his video. His incarceration is totally deserved. quietasamousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14808307845846215756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-68961611669768425472018-05-28T20:37:22.219+01:002018-05-28T20:37:22.219+01:00oh dear, so you saw the hack job the media did on ...oh dear, so you saw the hack job the media did on that too huh? They looked for content to make it look bad, declared all supporters as far right etc..<br /><br />perhaps take of the media glasses?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11474625567670047306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-80023821146998810752018-05-28T18:57:58.151+01:002018-05-28T18:57:58.151+01:00http://www.renegadetribune.com/why-tommy-robinson-...http://www.renegadetribune.com/why-tommy-robinson-is-an-idiot-in-the-wrong/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-83331538944301562912018-05-28T18:53:26.185+01:002018-05-28T18:53:26.185+01:00Every trial is different, you can't compare Ro...Every trial is different, you can't compare Rolf Harris to this as the victims waived their right to be anonymous...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-60274337428105878212018-05-28T18:23:17.558+01:002018-05-28T18:23:17.558+01:00Didn't see Tommy at Leigh McMillan's trial...Didn't see Tommy at Leigh McMillan's trial, i wonder why.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03241598180320984673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-52410298881031616622018-05-28T17:01:35.246+01:002018-05-28T17:01:35.246+01:00And you are? One of them idiots who parade round i...And you are? One of them idiots who parade round in masks and balaclavas? Mark DeGiorgionoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-88700185204104634952018-05-28T16:47:10.049+01:002018-05-28T16:47:10.049+01:00He was arrested for breach of the peace not contem...He was arrested for breach of the peace not contempt of court so your article is wrong Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com