tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post6151978072242984669..comments2024-03-26T13:27:26.499+00:00Comments on Zelo Street: Louise Mensch - A Word In Your EarTim Fentonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00726447899972084146noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-2216370193798572252016-02-03T11:17:14.211+00:002016-02-03T11:17:14.211+00:00Mike - as Tim says, this post concentrates on the ...Mike - as Tim says, this post concentrates on the harmful effects of targeted online bullying. The recent escalation of both new abuse and the retreading of old myths and misinformation is entering dangerous territory. <br /><br />I can't be the only one who was saddened to hear that Tim Hunt had entertained suicidal thoughts. Considering the vitriolic, sustained and more numerous attacks on Connie St Louis, she could well have had similar moments of despair. Online bullying is potentially life threatening and there's only so much abuse people can take. This blog is a call for humanity. Shame on anyone who refuses to hear it.<br /><br />The continued abuse does, as pointed out by one of the comments above, reflect badly on Hunt. It is being done, and has been done for over seven months now, in his defence, in his name, and with his full knowledge. Yet, despite the numerous media interviews (often about his own victimisation), he has never addressed or condoned the racism, smears or personal attacks on St Louis and others - many of them female scientists. I do wonder if Hunt and his wife realise how much damage this continual public defence is causing them. Sue Nelsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-82196982098553857612016-02-03T11:10:39.248+00:002016-02-03T11:10:39.248+00:00Hi Mike - a few things. The three eyewitnesses agr...Hi Mike - a few things. The three eyewitnesses agree with each other on what Hunt said and agreed it should be reported. A number of eyewitnesses also present back their version up (see https://medium.com/@danwaddell/saving-tim-hunt-97db23c6ee93#.5cgyk9i7r). The 'EC Observer' you mention was actually an ERC spin doctor who accompanied Hunt to Seoul, and he described the comments as 'sexist and unacceptable.' As has been pointed out, Hunt did not say 'Now seriously' as the memo claimed. <br /><br />Re your earlier comment, Hunt was given a chance to explain himself well before the Sexism in Science session which has Louise et al so worked up, on the morning of the 9th by Deborah Blum, one of the three responsible for the original report. She questioned him about it and there are witnesses to this interview. Finally, Hunt had been asked to speak that evening at a welcome reception before his comments at the fateful lunch. Bear in mind the person who issued the invitation did not hear what he said at lunch, and did not learn of it until later, as they had a conference to run and organise. <br /><br />Hope that helps. DanDan Waddellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-8461512478256232762016-02-02T21:21:45.729+00:002016-02-02T21:21:45.729+00:00The three eye witnesses you mean did not agree wit...The three eye witnesses you mean did not agree with other. Other eyewitnesses also gave a very different account. These include the memo from the EC observer. The audio showsbquite clearly the jocular and ironic context. I am not in general a Louise Mensch fan, and am very fond of Jeremy Corbyn (even if I did vote for Yvette Cooper).But on this issue Louise has got it right. Given your intemperate reaction I won't bother with any more comments. mikephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08808644741890056394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-77394517241032419412016-02-02T20:22:14.640+00:002016-02-02T20:22:14.640+00:00Oh mikep, is this the best place on the internet t...Oh mikep, is this the best place on the internet to rehash this tosh? Can't decide, do you really believe this BS or are you just part of the support Tim Hunt at all costs brigade and want to stick your oar in as a warrior in The Crusade To Save Tim? The people who come here are interested in the truth, that is why they come. Not to listen to some acolyte at the foot of the giant fucking Mensch bullshit machine. What's it like down there by the way? Don't u mind getting occasionally sprayed with unmenschionable stuf. LOL! FFS countless people heard what Hunt said it wud be almost funny some of the made up stuff that Mensch has tried in order to rehabilitate him. Funny if not for the fact that she is trying to destroy another human being. <br /><br />Seeing as you have an interest then perhaps you;d like to enlighten us about how it is that Sir Tim pushed "now seriously" when that seems to be a porky? Invented by the ERC. Told to the Observer by Sir Tim, pushed by Louise and footsoldiers as some official Euro-report, and pushed by the pro-Tim crowd, Dawkins all that lot. Everyone was crowing about it. Proof positive that it was a joke and everyone knew it they all said. Except 'now seriously' was bullshit wasn't it? Come on, apply your brilliant mind to that question of how those words were not actually spoken and yet they form part of story. Or in the absence of some actual gears grinding in that brain, just ask Louise what to think. I'm sure she'll manage to straighten thinks out for you. <br /><br />One final question for you genius. You walk into a room and three people tell you they heard a scientist say something stupid--something corroborated by a number of others WHO WERE THERE. Then someone who was never in the room, whose highlight in life is as a rock and roll groupie and WRITER OF FICTION, goes on to construct a theory that not only are those three people lying but they colluded to lie and had an agenda. And that is somehow easier to believe than the fact that the scientist actually did say something stupid???? Don't be gullible. Or if you want to be gullible, can you take it somewhere else please? LOL!<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-54684773175275761592016-02-02T18:49:13.966+00:002016-02-02T18:49:13.966+00:00@8
I note that you do not address any of the poin...@8<br /><br />I note that you do not address any of the points I made in this post. I'll just leave that right there.<br />Tim Fentonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00726447899972084146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-40236673086314314712016-02-02T18:43:46.620+00:002016-02-02T18:43:46.620+00:00Connie St Louis made a variety of claims nearly al...Connie St Louis made a variety of claims nearly all of which are demonstrably untrue. She claimed that Tim Hunt’s after dinner comments went on and on for over seven minutes. Time stamping shows he talked for less than three minutes. She said he was serious, but the audio recording shows clearly he was being jocular and ironic. She said he sat down to stony silence, but the audio shows there was laughter and applause. She said that everyone was shocked, but the organisers were so upset they asked him for more informal remarks for that same evening. She said he thanked the women for making the lunch, but this seems to arise from a misunderstanding of someone else’s tweet. The person who does seem to have made a similar remark was the Korean scientist and politician who later demanded an apology from Tim Hunt. Connie St Louis implied that Tim Hunt was given an opportunity to explain himself, but she never spoke directly to him. The “opportunity” appears to refer to Tim Hunt's “appearance” at a Sexism in Science Session. However he was not at that session because he was at a simultaneous session chairing the presentations of two ERC funded female scientists – that’s why he was at the conference. And then he gave an interview to a female Kenyan journalist. Tim Hunt has said that he did make the comments about “my trouble with girls”. And he apologised in the following terms: “I am mortified to have upset my hosts, which was the very last thing I intended. I also fully accept that the sentiments as interpreted have no place in modern science”. Note “as interpreted “. He is also on record saying that the tone and context of his remarks was misreported. Not much for Louise Mensch to apologise for here, but what about Connie St Louis?<br />mikephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08808644741890056394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-6528025413162797792016-02-02T13:36:31.881+00:002016-02-02T13:36:31.881+00:00Great insight into the mind of Louise Mensch--and ...Great insight into the mind of Louise Mensch--and the damage she has been doing to Tim Hunt. There has to be a story, what a complicated and interesting person Mensch is. Bright and well educated, yet is driven to "obsessive and sadistic bullying". It is very focused. She will select a target and then just go after them. What drives her? She has money, otherwise she wouldn't be able to afford the lawyer she uses to push people around behind the scenes and try and silence criticism. So what inclines her to, say, get up in the morning and decide to put her jackboot into someone's face again and again? You touch on her experience with drugs, and I recall she said something on Question Time about this and her ongoing emotional problems only a few years ago. <br /><br />Tim Hunt needs to stop this. The fact that he has not called off Louise Mensch implieshe approves. It is, after all, a campaign in his name. Why a man of his stature would feel he needs to support this is beyond understanding and diminishes him. All he did was make some sexist remarks and then apologise. Few people really thought it was more than a bad joke gone wrong. And yet now we have to watch the embarrassing spectacle of Mensch's bullying revisionism and attempt to destroy the reputation of another human being. One can only imagine the effect that this is having on CSL's friends and family. Has she had journalists fawning over her trauma? No because Mensch has done her best to make this person so toxic that everyone is steering clear! If Tim Hunt allows Louise Mensch to destroy CSL in his name using lies, smears and bullying, that is going to be a terrible legacy for a Nobel Prize winner. His time to fix this is running out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-48221181675792776272016-01-31T18:33:36.663+00:002016-01-31T18:33:36.663+00:00I bet she's reading this too, having repeatedl...I bet she's reading this too, having repeatedly googled her name.<br /><br />Hello Louise! WELSHMANnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-21490483772928664382016-01-31T11:13:08.555+00:002016-01-31T11:13:08.555+00:00@4
Ms St Louis hounded nobody. She gave an accoun...@4<br /><br />Ms St Louis hounded nobody. She gave an account of events.<br /><br />If she and her friends caused Hunt to lost his job, I am sure you will be able to back that up.<br /><br />As to Hunt's wife leaving the country, this was already in train before the events which led to the current row.<br /><br />HTH.<br />Tim Fentonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00726447899972084146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-81570363950751124582016-01-31T10:51:32.148+00:002016-01-31T10:51:32.148+00:00I have no wish to hound Connie St Louis to the ext...I have no wish to hound Connie St Louis to the extent that she could loose her job. That would make me no better than Connie St Louis and her friends, who hounded Tim Hunt to the extent that he lost his job, and hounded Hunt's wife to the extent that she left the country. Whatever you may think of Mensch, she exposed that little lot for the nasty individuals they are.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16741372120437941357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-193549137245878872016-01-30T21:21:09.651+00:002016-01-30T21:21:09.651+00:00This is a laudable attempt to help the woman.
But...This is a laudable attempt to help the woman.<br /><br />But you're wasting your time.<br /><br />There's a part of her missing. The part that makes for reasoning and reasonable humanity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-53345701534002681372016-01-30T19:07:25.858+00:002016-01-30T19:07:25.858+00:00I think something very unpleasant happened to Loui...I think something very unpleasant happened to Louise Bagshawe when she worked in the music industry. <br /><br />She's already said that she had a bad run-in with drugs earlier in her professional career, and given how sexually exploitative the music industry is I shudder to think at some of the things that she may have been coerced into doing.<br /><br />I think her vile behaviour as a human being ever since is because she hasn't been able to get through this. The only other explanation is that she was just born bad - but considering that bad people are made and not born I find it hard to believe this. Especially as working for News International is a great way of keeping skeletons locked in closets.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15878421641177302569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-82814139967889181322016-01-30T18:04:45.790+00:002016-01-30T18:04:45.790+00:00Oh man, this comes across as seriously creepy. Hav...Oh man, this comes across as seriously creepy. Have you thought of reading your blog posts aloud to a friend before posting them? Mensch is an idiot, as you regularly demonstrate, but you'd have been wiser to have written this as an open letter rather than as a monologue for Hannibal Lecter!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com