tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post468831438482200177..comments2024-03-26T13:27:26.499+00:00Comments on Zelo Street: Sadiq Knifes JezzaTim Fentonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00726447899972084146noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-20422040140987774862016-08-23T08:40:38.586+01:002016-08-23T08:40:38.586+01:00(I'm adding to my entry above.)
What's go...(I'm adding to my entry above.) <br />What's going on with the Labour party right now isn't pretty. I rejoined fairly recently, not as a Corbyn supporter, but as a believer that only from within might I help to make Labour more amenable to working with a range of progressive politicians and 'parties' across the left-centre spectrum. In its present form it is hopelessly mired in its rules and monolithic stasis. I go to CLP meetings and, goodness help us, so much time is spent discussing edicts and rules from up the command chain, there seems to be no time or energy left for engaging in local issues and activism.<br />As it happens, I think Corbyn, if he's elected and Labour, after the Autumn Conference may become more amenable to tactical alliancing to form a dynamic and powerful opposition to the self-appointed 'natural party of government'. <br />If that proves not to be the case, or even likely, then I shall leave and invest my energy elsewhere.Papawallahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15658434054101798984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-59492408640691474262016-08-22T23:54:48.525+01:002016-08-22T23:54:48.525+01:00True, Khan is a much better man than Boris, and Za...True, Khan is a much better man than Boris, and Zac also showed himself unworthy. And I will listen to what he has to say. But so far everything he's said has been more of the same Blairite delusion that those who backed Brown and Miliband represent some mysterious kind of electability which doesn't involve actually winning elections. He has nothing new to add and should stick to looking after London. Steve Rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04019868462356044561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-4983759375212770352016-08-22T09:45:26.173+01:002016-08-22T09:45:26.173+01:00According to YouGov, back in April Khan was rated ...According to YouGov, back in April Khan was rated +30 by Londoners. Corbyn was rated -7. I'm still not convinced by the "Corbyn helped Khan win" argument.LiamKavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01996095233681105682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-79087232203082679532016-08-22T00:25:27.846+01:002016-08-22T00:25:27.846+01:00A very important point missed here is that Khan is...A very important point missed here is that Khan is relatively new in his role of Mayor and is yet to do anything to excite the electorate who voted for him. If the GE is still under 4 years away or even a year Khan may well be on the nose by then- or he may have performed brilliantly.<br /><br />This reeks of Khan being opportunistic and cruising in a vote while Labour with a new leader carried some optimistic hope (the 'coup' hadn't started although was obviously being plotted) and a significant dislike of Johnson across all party supporters.<br /><br />So I've 'listened' to Khan and I'm disappointed with him. Another Blairite opportunist who seems like he may be a do-nothing Mayor. I hope I'm wrong.http://www.thesocialshuttle.com/https://www.blogger.com/profile/08385625594884495221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-6001598142867972202016-08-21T22:50:30.836+01:002016-08-21T22:50:30.836+01:00" is also quite fair to say that he was elect...<i>" is also quite fair to say that he was elected as London Mayor partly due to the fact that he was up against a Tory candidate who ran an openly racist, Islamophobic, muck raking smear filled hate campaign which rightly disgusted so many from across the political spectrum, nothing really to do with being pro or anti Corbyn. I'd like to think that in those circumstances the campaigners would have turned out to help whoever the Labour candidate was.</i><br /><br />That's true, and I'd also like to think that someone running that sort of campaign would turn off many honest and rational voters. Except... the Brexit campaign was largely run on an openly racist platform full of lies and scare tactics, and they won.<br /><br />(I know that London voted to Remain, and that London voted for Kahn. There's probably a message here about how what works in London doesn't necessarily work for the rest of the UK, but I'm not sure what it is.)LiamKavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01996095233681105682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-61995938807250287452016-08-21T19:38:14.655+01:002016-08-21T19:38:14.655+01:00But Khan was quite clear at the time that his purp...<i>But Khan was quite clear at the time that his purpose in nominating Corbyn was to broaden the range of candidates. He did not think that Jezza could win a General Election as leader, and he would not be voting for him.</i> -- I'm not really sure how Khan supporters think this is a point in his favour. Taken at face value (a bad idea with politicians, but anyway) it indicates that Mr Khan was not committed to any particular idea of leadership, was insincere in making his nomination, and was reckless as to the potential outcome -- and is now blaming the party membership for the result of his own actions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-22115544048488712992016-08-21T19:12:48.480+01:002016-08-21T19:12:48.480+01:00Was gonna say what wild a said. You omitted that f...Was gonna say what wild a said. You omitted that factor entirely from the analysis. Yolanda Forsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10099167396244589651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-34587688640970013462016-08-21T18:59:00.829+01:002016-08-21T18:59:00.829+01:00He makes some valid points, but it is also quite f...He makes some valid points, but it is also quite fair to say that he was elected as London Mayor partly due to the fact that he was up against a Tory candidate who ran an openly racist, Islamophobic, muck raking smear filled hate campaign which rightly disgusted so many from across the political spectrum, nothing really to do with being pro or anti Corbyn. I'd like to think that in those circumstances the campaigners would have turned out to help whoever the Labour candidate was. I certainly would have.wildcathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14945103241788224908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-52931255437256841682016-08-21T15:42:05.576+01:002016-08-21T15:42:05.576+01:00Not sure how the vote for a London mayor translate...Not sure how the vote for a London mayor translates into a countrywide general election vote. Comparing the two is a bit odd. People vote for their mayor for all sorts of reasons- quite apart from the fact that at least an equal number of eligible London voters didn't vote for anyone.<br />I know several Tories who couldn't stomach the notion of the Tory candidate for London mayor. http://www.thesocialshuttle.com/https://www.blogger.com/profile/08385625594884495221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-63361128306093940802016-08-21T15:15:21.964+01:002016-08-21T15:15:21.964+01:00OK, I've listened to what Khan has to say. I&#...OK, I've listened to what Khan has to say. I'm so glad most of the electorate saw sense and voted for him, given the most threatening alternative on offer. <br />The Labour leadership contest is of a different order. I shall be voting for Corbyn, for the hope of a new and healing way of doing politics; more incusively, collaboratively and with a wider view towards equality, peace and doing less damage to the planet. <br />If it takes more time than the run up to GE2020 and Corbyn loses, i'll still be rooting for the values Corbyn is attempting to set down against all the knives and brickbats.Papawallahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15658434054101798984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-52042199577778291092016-08-21T13:28:22.245+01:002016-08-21T13:28:22.245+01:00I'll give Khan a hearing, and have read the ar...I'll give Khan a hearing, and have read the article. Some of it is fair comment, though the stuff about Europe is rubbish -Corbyn wasn't 'confused' about the EU, he was ambivalent, which reflected many, hence his success in getting out the Labour vote compared to the other leaders.<br /><br />However, what Khan doesn't address is why Owen is more electable. I've asked Smith, and many of his supporters via social media, BTL on loads of sites and articles, and I never get an answer. It evidently isn't about policies, so I've been searching for exactly what it is that makes him an improvement. The only evidence I've seen for when the public see Corbyn and Smith together is the Victoria Derbyshire show, and that didn't go well for the latter.<br /><br />And yet Khan has repeated it, but with no substantive reasoning, again.<br /><br />Tim, with your more substantial media presence, can you ask? I really am genuinely interested to know.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07394276386366664327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-846530235263461372016-08-21T13:06:06.246+01:002016-08-21T13:06:06.246+01:00Well, no they wouldn’t: the instant response has b...<i> Well, no they wouldn’t: the instant response has been to claim that Corbyn was responsible for Khan’s victory,</i><br /><br />You then go on to give incorrect reasons for this response. John Curtice, king of the polls, wrote a piece last May in which he analysed the results, and it is this piece that points to the win in London being at least equally due to Corbyn as it was to Khan himself. <br /><br />I'm in a rush, so I will leave it up to you, or to interested readers, to find the piece itself. It is out there. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-80197708601128078782016-08-21T12:20:45.477+01:002016-08-21T12:20:45.477+01:00Khan? Many who campaigned / canvassed for him were...Khan? Many who campaigned / canvassed for him were Corbyn supporters who are appalled by his actions now. <br /><br />http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/devolution/2016/05/victory-london-was-jeremy-corbyn-s-not-sadiq-khan-sAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-72799558193474173792016-08-21T12:00:18.614+01:002016-08-21T12:00:18.614+01:00Khan has always been quite open about his oppositi...Khan has always been quite open about his opposition to Corbyn's leadership so there is nothing surprising about his article. He has always been a Blair-ite. (I'm not a Londoner and have not been following it that closely, but I'm at a loss to remember anything Khan has done since he won office. Transport? Housing?)<br /><br />Mike Smithson is a failing asset. He got the 2010 election right but failed miserably on both the 2015 election and the referendum. In my view he is increasingly allowing his personnal emotions and views to predominate over his betting calculations. He is very bitter about the collapse of the Lib-Dems.savernakenoreply@blogger.com