tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post8563341140180886707..comments2024-03-26T13:27:26.499+00:00Comments on Zelo Street: Katie Hopkins - Bad LoserTim Fentonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00726447899972084146noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-15818057881677366912015-08-24T14:14:30.396+01:002015-08-24T14:14:30.396+01:00Pretty stupid rick, you must be team Katie to even...Pretty stupid rick, you must be team Katie to even attempt to defend the tweetgarynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-16971348409537293422015-05-20T15:37:02.352+01:002015-05-20T15:37:02.352+01:00Rick - No, lebel is when you write something that ...Rick - No, lebel is when you write something that "MAY" or "TENDS TO" (key point) expose him to hared, ridicule or contempt, cause him to be shunned or avoided, lower him in the estimation of right-thinking members of society generally or disparage him in his business, trade, office or profession. <br />[McNaes - first port of call for real and amatuer journalists]<br />Writing "have you vandalised any war memorials recently" can be seen as suggesting that you have already done it in the past, and may do it again. Vandalism is criminal damage and is thus a crime. <br />Suggesting someone has committed such a rather distasteful crime, when they clearly have not, in print, to tens of thousands of people when they haven't does deserve an apology. While its easy to go "oh, well, she was just messing about" I think you'll find the Twitter Joke trial had to go a pretty long way for someone to finally accept that no, it was just a joke. But that took a lot of money and support to save a very innocently naive chap from a criminal record.<br />Hopkins is slowly learning, because she's had fuck all legal training in media law, that saying what the fuck you like can cause you trouble. Monroe has a right, under British law, to tell Hopkins "that's libel, apologise or face British law"... Hopkins has the same right under British law to fight it through a court and justify her words, assuming she has suitable defence - Justification? Fair comment? Privilege? Or go for Accord and satisfaction or offer of amends (a polite bung and "sorry".<br />If people and celebs are insistent on being "blogger journalists" on websites, Twitter and Facebook, it'd be a fine thing if they had to learn what poorly paid local reporters were forced to study and pass exams in... - media law. <br />[Again, I recommend McNaes Essential Law for Journalists, an excellent and regularly updated book by David Banks, Tom Welsh and Walter Greenwood]Carl Evehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03930750600999601721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-72871008915475115422015-05-19T17:38:04.392+01:002015-05-19T17:38:04.392+01:00With reference to my above comment, of course I me...With reference to my above comment, of course I meant to say Laurie Penny defended those who wrote on the war memorial, she didn't actually write on it herself. Sorry. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13245089516898650217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-5525117666285166852015-05-19T16:26:38.064+01:002015-05-19T16:26:38.064+01:00Hopkins pressed Tweet before working out the diffe...Hopkins pressed Tweet before working out the difference between Laurie Penny - who she refers to as an irritant and who did write on a war memorial - and Jack Monroe who she refers to as social anthrax and didn't write on a war memorial. That is a false comment and therefore libellous. <br /><br />A tweet is potentially libellous in England and Wales if it damages someone's reputation "in the estimation of right thinking members of society". It can do this by exposing them to "hatred, ridicule or contempt". It is a civil offence so you won't be jailed but you could end up with a large damages bill. The rules also apply to re-tweets.<br /><br />The best defence is if you can prove the contents of the tweet are true.<br /><br />You could also claim it was "fair comment" - your honestly held opinion on established facts. <br /><br />The only way to be completely safe is to avoid tweeting gossip unless you know for a fact that it is true.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13245089516898650217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-21314257263216833752015-05-19T13:45:06.326+01:002015-05-19T13:45:06.326+01:00@Rick, the tweet from MarkLewisLawyer suggests it&...@Rick, the tweet from MarkLewisLawyer suggests it's libel.Arnoldnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-5256017159824938602015-05-19T13:09:51.457+01:002015-05-19T13:09:51.457+01:00@6
There's always Sally Bercow's "in...@6<br /><br />There's always Sally Bercow's "innocent face", of course.Tim Fentonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00726447899972084146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-993900882750408782015-05-19T13:06:44.819+01:002015-05-19T13:06:44.819+01:00@Rob - Oh, I don't for one moment ignore the i...@Rob - Oh, I don't for one moment ignore the insinuation. But is it libellous? Surely to be libel, you have to say something is a true when it is not. She didn't say it was true, though it was dripping with insinuation.<br /><br />Can you be done for libel for merely implying something? It's an honest question - I don't know and would be fairly surprised. People insinuate things all the time.Ricknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-76616834369321763632015-05-19T12:57:03.723+01:002015-05-19T12:57:03.723+01:00@ Rick
"She asked if she had"
That'...@ Rick<br /><br />"She asked if she had"<br /><br />That's a bit disingenuous - Ms Hopkins added "recently" thereby inferring she had done it before?<br /><br />Also take into account the various insinuations added and you can almost hear the sneering tone of the tweet. robnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-30905276799735342222015-05-19T12:14:50.547+01:002015-05-19T12:14:50.547+01:00Much as I loathe Hopkins, I don't see what'...Much as I loathe Hopkins, I don't see what's libellous about her tweet?<br /><br />She didn't say Ms Munroe had done anything. She asked if she had.<br /><br />If I were to tweet that "Mr X is a murderer" then that would be libel.<br /><br />But if I tweet someone with the question "Have you ever killed a man?" surely that's not libellous? Especially if they then reply in the negative (as Munroe did).Ricknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-90547285342985801542015-05-19T12:06:46.368+01:002015-05-19T12:06:46.368+01:00Tim, We know what she looks like. Save us the pict...Tim, We know what she looks like. Save us the picture next time. Perhaps one of Jack Monroe could fit the bill instead.AndyCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-90891658494990198412015-05-19T11:38:28.085+01:002015-05-19T11:38:28.085+01:00Ms Hopkins - an example of someone who dishes it o...Ms Hopkins - an example of someone who dishes it out but doesn't like the consequences.Shawlratnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-87155193465641274252015-05-19T11:24:30.985+01:002015-05-19T11:24:30.985+01:00Say you're sorry, dear Ms Hopkins
Say you'...Say you're sorry, dear Ms Hopkins<br />Say you're sorry if you caused any pain<br />Say you're sorry, dear Ms Hopkins<br />If you don't the legal bills <br />Upon your head they will rain<br /><br />Say you're sorry though we know it's not meant<br />Say you're sorry, dear Ms Hopkins<br />But if you don't we quite understand<br />You're just a poor miscreantrobnoreply@blogger.com