tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post2425976171394791953..comments2024-03-17T12:51:33.240+00:00Comments on Zelo Street: Corbyn’s Israel ProblemTim Fentonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00726447899972084146noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-24052329864918777922016-09-13T09:10:23.104+01:002016-09-13T09:10:23.104+01:00Well, what about David "Trilateral Commission...Well, what about David "Trilateral Commission" Milliband?<br /><br />No, he won't do either. Already shunted out by the members and now a sell out to the bankers, arm dealers and crooks at the TC.<br /><br />It's looking bleak for New Labour and its apologists.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-41567394313769453402016-09-12T22:05:45.796+01:002016-09-12T22:05:45.796+01:00Then there's always Anna "Where's The...Then there's always Anna "Where's The Press?" Eagle.<br /><br />Oh, hang on......even her constituency officers said she's been hypocritical on the issue. And she got her election arse kicked too.<br /><br />Anybody got any other suggestions......SERIOUS suggestions?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-90609569950685293152016-09-12T18:58:43.322+01:002016-09-12T18:58:43.322+01:00Now let’s see which candidate Tim might prefer.
H...Now let’s see which candidate Tim might prefer.<br /><br />Hilary “Bomber” Benn?...No, can’t be him. Nobody sane supports bombing bound to kill innocent civilians after it bursts into millions of bits of shrapnel that can’t be “surgically guided.”<br /><br />Tom “Nukes” Watson?...Not him either. Nuclear bombs are, er, even worse.<br /><br />John “Boot Boy” Mann?...Nope. Every time he opens his mouth he looks and sounds like Nottinghamshire’s version of Kelvin MacFilth.<br /><br />Owen “Drugs Lobbyist” Smith?...Nah. Tim’s already said No. Nobody who is a true social democrat can possibly support a pharma company front man.<br /><br />Stephen “Windbag Junior” Kinnock?...Excuse me? One year in Parliament, and a chip off the old right wing “Baron” and “Loser” block certainly won’t cut it.<br /><br />Andy “Biding his time” Burnham?...No. He’s ducking out, hoping he can do it in later years. Anyway, he’s already been roundly trounced in one contest.<br /><br />Liz “Corner Shop” Kendall?...No, not her either. Not even the Blair-Brown right wing project can sell somebody of a mere six years in Parliament. Anyway, she’s already been roundly trounced in one contest.<br /><br />Yvette “No-Mark” Cooper?...Are you kidding? Anyway, she’s already been roundly trounced in one contest.<br /><br />Harriet “Tory” Harman?...Never. Too much mass murder New Labour baggage. Shared a platform with the Bullingdon Pig’s Head Boy. And she ran away from the contest knowing she wouldn’t get a sniff.<br /><br />Sort of narrows the field, that. But who to?<br /><br />Come on, Tim. Don’t be shy. Be constructive.<br />:o)<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-35015755213241773372016-09-12T15:51:00.312+01:002016-09-12T15:51:00.312+01:00More information on the New Labour right wing fact...More information on the New Labour right wing faction:<br />http://johnpilger.com/articles/provoking-nuclear-war-by-media<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-72789725510986505092016-09-12T13:01:52.194+01:002016-09-12T13:01:52.194+01:00Cat got your tongue, Tim?
That's not like you...Cat got your tongue, Tim?<br /><br />That's not like you.<br />:o)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-35653075432782286652016-09-11T22:09:22.699+01:002016-09-11T22:09:22.699+01:00So, Tim......tell us who YOU think would make a ca...So, Tim......tell us who YOU think would make a capable leader from the current New Labour dwindling faction.<br /><br />Go on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-79636065220566073282016-09-11T21:16:33.215+01:002016-09-11T21:16:33.215+01:00Corbyn is on a hiding to nothing where the accusat...Corbyn is on a hiding to nothing where the accusations of anti-semitism are concerned. Doesn't go - he's a bad guy. Does go - he's only doing it because of the accusations.PaulWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02094088749371150607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-35527434890105782762016-09-11T21:02:30.875+01:002016-09-11T21:02:30.875+01:00@Concerned Assuming we live through the imperialis...@Concerned Assuming we live through the imperialism, fascism and next two world wars, don't forget!LiamKavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01996095233681105682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-60599342171114845532016-09-11T19:11:04.053+01:002016-09-11T19:11:04.053+01:00Noble of you to be so long-sighted, Anon. Victory ...Noble of you to be so long-sighted, Anon. Victory in 2093 it is then. see you there!Concerned of Weybridgenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-6231502876446534822016-09-11T18:18:04.882+01:002016-09-11T18:18:04.882+01:00The point you miss Tim is that 'the hostile pr...The point you miss Tim is that 'the hostile press' will never be any different.<br /><br />It will always be hostile to anybody diametrically opposed to the poison they pump out. Always has been, always will be. Currently the same people are trying to recreate the Cold War. Trying to 'win' them over is a total waste of time. You can no more do that than change the history of Nazism. Do you REALLY believe they wouldn't hesitate to invent another 'Zinoviev letter' if they got desperate? What do you think their treatment of the Hillsborough Disaster and Orgreave was, an 'accident'? <br /><br />Far better to build support among enough working class people to tip the balance. It'll take a long time after long years of betrayal. But as 'austerity' continues (though you can bet any day now some Tory mouthpiece will appear to say 'It's over,' while continuing the same) and worsens the obvious will become apparent to even the most blinkered. Even the curtain twitching lower middle classes might cotton on as they realise their burglar alarm won't save them from legalised corruption. Certainly a no-mark like Owen Smith won't do it, the Tories never.<br /><br />The Labour Party only built up through years of struggle, criminalisation and even transportation and execution. But it was done once and it will be done again despite contemptible betrayal from the usual right wing sources. As 1945 showed, when sufficient people care they take action. At such times all the propaganda in the world fails. Even Hitler failed to silence all opposition.<br /><br />For policies to matter they have to be built on actual conditions, not on vapid Blair-Brown spin and public relations. That is what the establishment is terrified of: Genuine democracy, not the pale, decayed and impotent version we currently suffer.<br /><br />Change will come in spite of the present system, not because of it. Hopefully it will be as profound as 1945. But it's worth remembering it took two wicked world wars, imperialism and fascism to hasten it.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-3977518363103232512016-09-11T15:33:42.013+01:002016-09-11T15:33:42.013+01:00@Mark Edwards. Yours is a sentiment that is often ...@Mark Edwards. Yours is a sentiment that is often repeated in Wales. As if the only proper man's job is a mile underground hacking coal out with his bare todger. <br />It explains why the vote in Wales was to leave the EU and why many traditionally Labour in Gower didn't come out for the woman Labour candidate at the last General Election. Good old Gower constituency, Labour for 120 years and now represented by a Tory parasite whose only talents are turning text-to-speech on the floor of the House of Commons and brown-nosing Theresa May.Ceiliognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-402138747322905172016-09-11T14:17:10.366+01:002016-09-11T14:17:10.366+01:00You mean like Kinnock was the "First Kinnock ...You mean like Kinnock was the "First Kinnock in a thousand years to go to university"?<br /><br />Yeah, right. He did a bang up job....at losing....before he went off to an EU unelected appointment because - his words - "I've been a good boy."<br /><br />Yeah, that'll be it.Mark Edwardsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-36815038205718280132016-09-11T13:56:28.062+01:002016-09-11T13:56:28.062+01:00Damnit, I wanted to get in before the dramatic wan...Damnit, I wanted to get in before the dramatic wannabe Picard speech about how Corbyn principles are shining a new light on the darkness that the evil of mass-murderer Tony Blair had engulfed our nation in and that that though it may take a thousand years, people will be united by straight talking, honest politics. LiamKavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01996095233681105682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-82355532691660533872016-09-11T13:47:01.999+01:002016-09-11T13:47:01.999+01:00We've never seen a single politician be targ...We've never seen a single politician be targeted as much as Jez.<br /><br />What's the real reason for the persistent all out attacks?<br /><br />Never mind,he has support of Guido. Or so he gives that impression.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-42839017102282801582016-09-11T13:43:06.607+01:002016-09-11T13:43:06.607+01:00What is so ironic in saying that there isn't a...What is so ironic in saying that there isn't a paper that will give Corbyn more favourable coverage than the Guardian?LiamKavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01996095233681105682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-21212603960081065962016-09-11T13:23:48.861+01:002016-09-11T13:23:48.861+01:00Small correction to your opening sentence. "t...Small correction to your opening sentence. "the Labour Party lost a previously safe council seat in Sheffield not long after Jeremy Corbyn had addressed a rally of thousands of supporters in the city"<br /><br />"Labour lost a seat in Sheffield to a Lib Dem who had won the seat in the past despite fielding an Anti-Corbyn candidate" would be much closer to the truth. <br />Dave Eyrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05115184482077878684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-19976416028676542552016-09-11T12:47:13.570+01:002016-09-11T12:47:13.570+01:00"...you will get no more favourable coverage ...<i>"...you will get no more favourable coverage than in that paper..."</i><br /><br />Oh the missed irony in that line......<br /><br />But crack on Tim. You do a first class job of consolidating Corbyn's support, even growing it.<br /><br />I couldn't care less if you're a New Labour shill or not. I don't know. Nor do I much care.<br /><br />What I DO know is that hundreds of thousands have joined the Labour Party and will almost certainly give him an overwhelming vote of support. He may or may not lose the next general election - after all, millions protested Blair's Wars and it failed stop his mass murders. Anymore than it forced him and his spiv apologists to stop destroying everything the Labour Party once stood for. <br /><br />The point is, Corbyn marks a line where enough people have finally actually said Enough Is Enough. Conscience is not dead. Yet. Though at the present rate of public relations manufactured bullshit it's a looming possibility. You need only behold the motley crew, the detritus of New Labour - gobshites like Mann, McTernan and Bomber Benn, failures to a man and woman - spitting hatred at him.<br /><br />The sadness for you and your type is that you are quite incapable of seeing that you are merely More Of The Same Old Shit. All for mere immediate expediency in a thoroughly corrupt, literally bankrupt system. <br /><br />The tragedy for the nation is that much more of The Same Old Shit will finally tip it over into an abyss of far right reactionaryism, the type of disgusting muck continued and intensified by the Blair gang. God knows we're almost over the edge as it is.<br /><br />What a pity. It might have been so different.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-16815011892290653402016-09-11T12:43:56.765+01:002016-09-11T12:43:56.765+01:00Regarding your call of "baloney", do you...Regarding your call of "baloney", do you have access to Corbyn's diary for November? <br />I would have thought it a matter of diplomatic courtesy when inviting a political leader to another country to ask the invitee to supply convenient dates rather than tell them when to visit.Ceiliognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-80053084689037522812016-09-11T12:33:59.563+01:002016-09-11T12:33:59.563+01:00Labour has been able to depend on a lot of urban m...Labour has been able to depend on a lot of urban muslim votes over the years. For a variety of reasons, a lot of muslims are antipathetic to Israel. For a variety of reasons, Jewishness and Israel are conflated. Look at the names of a high proportion of the Labour party individuals involved in the various 'antisemitic' tweets, remarks etc in the last 2 years.Labour doesn't have 'an antisemitism problem' but it does have a lot of muslim supporters who don't necessarily distinguish carefully enough between a state's domestic and foreign policy and members of a religious/'racial' minority.Concerned of Weybridgenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-27151775151517757182016-09-11T12:33:43.370+01:002016-09-11T12:33:43.370+01:00Perhaps the proposed visit coincided with a diary ...Perhaps the proposed visit coincided with a diary entry which thought Corbyn was going to go to North Korea to discuss nuclear disarmament with Kin Jong-un? <br />Would certainly enhance his proactive leadership skills reputation if he could pull off a result there. No? <br />robnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-31755093130138078362016-09-11T12:00:06.821+01:002016-09-11T12:00:06.821+01:00Stephen, as far as one can tell, there is no speci...Stephen, as far as one can tell, there is no specific event.<br />It's a rite of passage for any politician visiting Israel. As though they wouldn't already know the history.<br />Significance ? There were a lot of significant events in the 20th century, take your pick.Nibshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02035901868134958949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-69034029050471470152016-09-11T11:32:04.966+01:002016-09-11T11:32:04.966+01:00Quite right Anon.
Foster does his "stormtroop...Quite right Anon.<br />Foster does his "stormtrooper" article in the Mail under the heading "Jewish Donor" but hey, it's the Left who do tropes etc.<br />The bottom line is that the likes of Foster. Kalms, Garrard, Levy etc are there to ensure our main political parties are pro-Israel, end of story.<br />Corbs won't kow-tow ? Then Corbs must GO !!<br />12 months of anti-semitism smears and people still tiptoe round this issue.<br />Nibshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02035901868134958949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-90379248000062122402016-09-11T11:29:01.083+01:002016-09-11T11:29:01.083+01:00Maybe he should go because he was specifically inv...Maybe he should go because he was specifically invited Nibs. <br />Your use of the term kow-tow makes my think you dismiss the significance of the event Corbyn was invited to. Stephennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-89030299970324361072016-09-11T11:25:22.930+01:002016-09-11T11:25:22.930+01:00The whole point is to make Corbyn look bad, regard...The whole point is to make Corbyn look bad, regardless of what he actually does or says. The accusations of anti-Semitism won't go away until he does - one doesn't have to be pro- or anti-Corbyn to work that out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433144336299288135.post-47652959520548497992016-09-11T11:07:23.082+01:002016-09-11T11:07:23.082+01:00Not sure I agree that a 2-day visit would put this...Not sure I agree that a 2-day visit would put this issue to rest: quite apart from anything else, our fearlessly fair and balanced press would be searching for any fluffed remark, imagined snub etc etc.<br />Also, why should ANY leader of any opposition party have to take time out to go to Israel and kow-tow to this whole thing of a hierarchy of suffering which of course must "excuse" 60 years of ethnic cleansing ?<br />A PM might go as part of a visit to the country, but why must everyone else jump through hoops ?Nibshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02035901868134958949noreply@blogger.com